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    Shit, well on a slight change of subject

    What do you think about ideals? Ive been thinkin a lot about the idea of ideals lately. Like in the sense "humans are warlike now, but one day in the future we will be peacefull"

    Can you come with me on a slight journey, im playing with words a bit but see if you can see what i see.

    in a sense, can you see that having an ideal is in a way paralysis? It prevents you from taking action Now? Like another example would be say i know im a rude person, if i say "ok i will practice and conform to how to be not rude, with effort i will do this and this, control here, and one day i will be not rude" can you see how in a sense that very train of thought prevents you from just changing to not rude NOW? Like if you fully understood the whole process of why youre rude, why would you need time to change. Change now... can you catch a glimpse of what im feelin here?
    Outwardly there is cronological time. The mind has applied this internally, it says, logically there is time its obvious. So then the mind thinks within time. I am a little depressed now, but i will get to a state of non depression later. The now and later is the time. Takes time to get from here to there. This is also creating a duality. Two things. I am this(the now), i will be that(the later). Simple things like this make you believe in theres a me controlling the thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Bustalot View Post
    Shit, well on a slight change of subject

    What do you think about ideals? Ive been thinkin a lot about the idea of ideals lately. Like in the sense "humans are warlike now, but one day in the future we will be peacefull"

    Can you come with me on a slight journey, im playing with words a bit but see if you can see what i see.

    in a sense, can you see that having an ideal is in a way paralysis? It prevents you from taking action Now? Like another example would be say i know im a rude person, if i say "ok i will practice and conform to how to be not rude, with effort i will do this and this, control here, and one day i will be not rude" can you see how in a sense that very train of thought prevents you from just changing to not rude NOW? Like if you fully understood the whole process of why youre rude, why would you need time to change. Change now... can you catch a glimpse of what im feelin here?
    yeah ideals are just like expectations.. they suck
    they got amnesia

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    Brilliant! Thanks C
    Outwardly there is cronological time. The mind has applied this internally, it says, logically there is time its obvious. So then the mind thinks within time. I am a little depressed now, but i will get to a state of non depression later. The now and later is the time. Takes time to get from here to there. This is also creating a duality. Two things. I am this(the now), i will be that(the later). Simple things like this make you believe in theres a me controlling the thinking.
    nawmchomsky?

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    word @ Jook

    @ Dex, I can relate. I've read about all the major world religions, as well as some minor ones. My firm belief is basically Deism: that a higher creative intelligence is a rational explanation for the universe as we know it. Other than that, I'm most drawn to Buddhism, with its subtle, philosophical outlook. But still, something ties me to the Catholic Church, and I can't break that bond. I still go to Mass occasionally, and fairly recently attended an SSPX mass in the traditional tridentine style.
    Theories about rights, freedom, and dignity are dangerous, however - dangerous to tyrannies of all kinds, of ignorance, superstition, poverty, and the rest.

    Once you acquire a marketplace soul, the suk is the totality of existence.
    First food, then morality.
    The sun is shining, but the ice is slippery.
    Beyond the walls of intelligence, life is defined.

    Swift as the wind; silent as a forest; fierce as fire; immovable as a mountain; inscrutable as shadows; sudden as lightning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcalibur View Post
    word @ Jook

    @ Dex, I can relate. I've read about all the major world religions, as well as some minor ones. My firm belief is basically Deism: that a higher creative intelligence is a rational explanation for the universe as we know it. Other than that, I'm most drawn to Buddhism, with its subtle, philosophical outlook. But still, something ties me to the Catholic Church, and I can't break that bond. I still go to Mass occasionally, and fairly recently attended an SSPX mass in the traditional tridentine style.
    I kinda feel like Buddhism is just saying what Christianity is saying when you strip away the exoteric wrapping paper.

    The early Nazarene Christians basically behaved like Buddhist monks.

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    They all say that same thing (religions).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollinaire Charisme View Post
    I kinda feel like Buddhism is just saying what Christianity is saying when you strip away the exoteric wrapping paper.

    The early Nazarene Christians basically behaved like Buddhist monks.
    But buddhism denies theres a self or soul.. and the christianity i know says theres a soul, and not only that it goes on after death in heaven and whatnot hangin with mr cooper

    I dont see how theyre saying the same things
    Outwardly there is cronological time. The mind has applied this internally, it says, logically there is time its obvious. So then the mind thinks within time. I am a little depressed now, but i will get to a state of non depression later. The now and later is the time. Takes time to get from here to there. This is also creating a duality. Two things. I am this(the now), i will be that(the later). Simple things like this make you believe in theres a me controlling the thinking.
    nawmchomsky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resilient View Post
    They all say that same thing (religions).


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    Pretty much.

    Although I like the idea of a unique path to salvation through accepting Christ.

    It's like a get out of jail free card. I like that.

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    I need to have my cake and eat it too, ya know

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    Yeah we know.


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